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Well 8.89 @ 78 mph isn't bad! :up: 

I'd say mid to high 13's in the 1/4 mile with that 1/8 mile.

Just think... You're already quicker than most of the Stock Mustang GT's we grew up drooling over, in a crew cab 4x4 truck! 

What were the stock 1st and 2nd Gen Lightening ET's? 

Time to go to Beech Bend to see what it'll do down the 1/4? 

 

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My coworker has a 2020 silverado 2500, gas 6.6l, 400+ hp.   He says it's peppy.  I said "it will probably beat 9/10 of all the Chevelles ever made".

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1 hour ago, JohnC said:

Well 8.89 @ 78 mph isn't bad! :up: 

I'd say mid to high 13's in the 1/4 mile with that 1/8 mile.

Just think... You're already quicker than most of the Stock Mustang GT's we grew up drooling over, in a crew cab 4x4 truck! 

What were the stock 1st and 2nd Gen Lightening ET's? 

Time to go to Beech Bend to see what it'll do down the 1/4? 

 

I told Kathleen that it was funny to me how excited I was when I FINALLY got my bolt-on Fox into the 8's and my bone stock truck did it with some nice air LOL

Its not as fun tho honestly...because auto BUT Im still enjoying it because of what it is.

As for the Lightning, I believe they ran high 13's stock with traction and good air?  There is a modded one at the hill running .2-.4 quicker than me and I know of another modded one that would likely get gapped with ease by this thing (spending money on wrong stuff).

Matt 

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HA Ive read that there are a couple easy bolt on high pressure pumps you can use to run straight E85 and make wicked power on these Gen2's.  You can run E85 as it sits I believe with the 2.7.  What Ive seen is if you dont want to touch the fuel setup then E50 is good and there are trucks running insane times with nothing more than an E50 tune.  I will be looking into E85 tuning but not 100% sure yet.  I know I will be looking at an octane adjusting tune for DD duty that will work like the factory tune, doesnt matter if you use 87 up to 93+ itll adjust accordingly.  Then I will likely get a tune strictly for the track as well.

Matt

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Took a moment Sat to get to know the Gen 2 Ecoboost a little better and replace the VVT solenoids on the Driver's side in hopes that they were the culprit for my P0019/0025 and misfire issues.  From what Ive seen the Gen 2 is WAY easier to work on than Gen 1's in alot of respects...EXCEEEEPT for the fact that you have to remove the intake to remove the valve cover as the valve cover makes up part of the intake runner.  The spots on the intake are cleaner used to lube up the wiring trees and to wipe off a couple things on the valve cover.  You can see the two solenoids in the front of the head.  Super easy once you get all the crap around them off.  Ford made a change to the 2.7's valve cover design to where you can remove these simply by unplugging them and removing the bolts holding them in.  Not so with the 3.5.

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I was working slow and careful and then the damned 8mm and short extension I was using to remove the solenoid bolts slipped out of my oily fingers and I heard it pinball down into the engine bay...and never touch the ground.  :down:  I honestly looked for 30 minutes and now know every nook and cranny of the Driver's side of this motor to the point I could likely draw it with my eyes closes yet no socket or extension.  There is only one way it could have ended up in the engine itself as its really tight where the cam sprockets are but I still started to get sick to my stomach thinking it WOULD be my luck.  If it is in there it isnt clanging around any so Ill replace them and move on :lol:

So far so good too, Ive put 500 miles on her since then and have done numerous highway trips without a single issue.  Fingers crossed.

Tues night blessed us with more boost weather so I went back to the Hill for another night in the 8's.  There was hardly anyone there so I was ready to get some runs in but 5 different cars/bikes broke and or leaked on the track so there was some waiting.  Ended up going all the way to the 4th round in the Eliminations tho so I got 10 runs total which is good by me!  DA started in the low 1500's and dropped to 1200 or so as the night went on.

Run 1:  8.90 at 78.53mph with 1.97 60.   16.24 psi.  Straight off the road.

Run 2:  8.93 at 78.26mph with 1.98 60.  14.35 psi. 10 minute cool down

Run 3:  8.95 at 78.41mph with 2.00 60.  15.66 psi.  Ran against a younger guy in a 15-17 Mustang GT/CS automatic with drive out tags and whooped on him.  

Run 4:  8.93 at 78.26mph with 1.99 60.  15.37 psi.  15 minute cool down.  Ran same poor sap in the GT/CS and whooped him again.

Run 5:  8.90 at 78.26mph with 1.96 60.  14.35 psi.  10 minute cool down.

Run 6:  8.93 at 78.64mph with 2.00 60.  16.67 psi.  Hot Lap

Run 7:  8.89 at 78.12mph with 1.93 60.  14.93 psi.  30 minute cool down.  Launched a little harder 2200-2300.  First round of Elims.  Broke out but other guy did too so I moved on.

Run 8:  8.91 at 78.26mph with 1.95 60.  16.09 psi.  20 minute cool down.  Tried to shift into 2wd immediately due to track being tacky

Run 9:  8.97 at 78.01mph with 1.98 60.  14.06 psi.  1 hour cool down.  

Run 10:  8.90 at 78.13mph with 1.95 60.  14.79 psi.  30 minute cool down.  Every other run in elims I won by the fault of the other driver.  This time I had a great honest race and ran an 8.90 on an 8.90 dial in with a .064 reaction but the other guy cut a .001 light and got me by my reaction time difference.  I hate bracket racing but that was a good fun run.

I was really hoping to be in the 8.8's more than I was with the cooler air but the truck seems to really like staying in the 8.9x's no matter the cool down or how I launch it etc.  Pretty sure I am squeezing every last drop of potential out of what its capable of stock as it sits at this track.  Its now been as fast as the quickest magazine test time the Limited (fastest F150 in production) has been and its much quicker than stock raptors due to weighing less.  Ive got one more little trick I want to try next time to see if I can get the IAT's down some and then its gonna be tune o'clock.

Matt

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I DID shave a couple tenths off due to the cold!  It was consistently in the low 9's and thanks to the recent boooooooooooost weather is consistently in the high 8's!  Apparently the stock tune wont allow boost to build on the launch like the previous gen Ecoboosts and there is some annoying torque management in 1st from what Im reading so there likely isnt much left in it but I will try unplugging the active shutters that block the intercooler when the motor and the temps are cooler and also will try Normal mode as some report seeing better times in Normal vs Sport.  See if I can squeeze every last drop out of it before they close up for the season!

Matt 

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Yeah even the potentially clogged solenoids looked clean for the most part.  I was glad to see it look that way tho for sure tho.  No telling how it was treated in its past but ill take care of it maintenance wise from here on at least.

Matt

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Meant to get these up earlier, got a couple runs in last Tues and tried a few things out.  Only hard change to the truck was removing the intake "silencers".  TONS of debate on whether or not these make a difference to power, adding it by swirling the air to the turbo or restricts it by...well, being in the way of air going into the turbos, if they are there for a reason other than sound dampening etc.  2019 and 2020 trucks DO NOT have them.  I yanked em out and did some testing of my own.  Couple people say they lost mpg doing so.  I gained .2 over the next tank so no change (20.4 with 20.6 without).  I also hit the track and...saw a slightly better PB but no change if you look at the average.  Conclusion...they can come or go, no difference except a tiny but more spool noise with windows down.  Nowhere near as loud as the 2020 I drove which makes me wonder what thats about.

On to the runs.  DA was aroun 1863 earlier in the night.

Run 1:  8.86 at 78.55 with 1.93 60.  14.79 psi.  Straight off the road, had to load the converter for a while waiting for the lights to drop.  Thought I was onto something here but never came near it again.  Dang.

Run 2:  8.93 at 78.64 with 2.00 60.  Pulled the plug on the grill shutters locking them open.  Saw NO change.

Run 3:  8.94 at 78.24 with a 2.00 60.  15.8 psi.  Shutters open again, ran in Normal mode to see if it would help like some report.  No change lol  Looks like you can run in either just the same

Run 4:  8.95 at 78.40 with 2.00 60.  15.08 psi.  Shutters plugged back in. Nada

Run 5:  8.91 at 78.40 with 1.95 60.  15.8 psi.  

Run6:  8.94 at 78.26 with 1.97 60.  14.64 psi.  Won first round but went home to hang with Luke before he went to bed.  

Sucker toyed with my emotions that first run but went back to being a consistent 8.9x truck the rest of the night.  Those will likely be the last stock passes, time to try out a tune!

Sold some parts off the Shelby and decided to spring for a couple things Ive wanted to do for a bit now.  Talked around to a couple Ecoboost tuners and went with a tune from Matt at Gearhead.  Its an octane adjusting tune thats super linear and not as aggressive on tip in as most other tunes.  Some complain that it feels "slow" compared to others due to this but others praise it for its street manners.  More than that, the trans tuning seems to be more laid back than others I looked at which is perfect for DD duty.  I was actually going to get this tune for the street and then find another for the track but after some back and forth picking Matt's brain, he claims his tune can be just a potent on 93 as the other big names and doubled down saying if I sent some logs in on an E30 mix he would dial in a track tune and see what we can safely tweak out of it.  

Truck feels exactly how others stated, smooth and comfortable and instead of being violent down low, its super linear and doesnt feel all that quick till you look at the speedo and realize whats going on.  I will be putting the "may see up to 2-3 mpg increase if driven right" to the test as well but have already seen about that much of an increase on the dash readout already.  Will know more when I fill up but I honestly wasnt expecting it. The track will be the ultimate test tho.  Im hoping for more good weather Tues to find out if his claims of it being as potent as other tunes is true.

I also found a set of wheels I liked.  I really wanted some Method NV's in their bronze (more of a gold color) and was going to do a Ford sport package stripe in a matching color to set the truck off a bit BUT the wheels I ended up with were muuuuuuch more friendly to the wallet and I really like the look.

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Will rock the stock sized Toyo's till they are dead and then likely look at a 33.  It will be leveled at some point as well.  Im digging them in black but am working on getting the stripe done how I want and then getting some of the same vinyl to wrap the centers of the wheels to match.  If it turns out hideous then I can remove it and go back to black.  We will see tho.  I like the change tho.  Not a fan of big rim small tire look so the small rim taller tire look is good, ride stays good and it looks a little slicker and less...Budget Rent-a-Truck now.

Gotta sell a few more parts then Im gonna throw a few more parts that it desperately needs at it and go from there.

Matt

 

 

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Went ahead today and neutered...I mean lowered the rear of the truck.  Free, easy and will help Kathleen till the Baby is here...why not.  Took longer to get the tools out than it took to pull the rear blocks.  Doesn't actually look as bad as I thought it would to be honest.  Ill do a 2.5" front and put the factory blocks back in down the road but for now this'll do.

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5 hours ago, Disney said:

Height goes up, mpg goes down.

Yep which is another pro for lowering the rear right now instead of raising the front.  Its growing on me bit by bit.  Even if I loose a mpg or two to raising it up Ill still be getting better than my Wagon, Shelby or 88 ever got so I guess its ok but I really dont want to sacrifice ET more than anything and taller tires and a little bump in height will do so.

We shall see...never know what will happen next, so long as Im enjoying the thing itll stick around!

Matt

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Got some passes on the Gearhead OAR 93 octane tune last night.  The tune is so sedate on the street that it honestly doesnt feel like much of anything but it boogies at the track proving that it woke up quite a bit.  I think this also proves that this tune is safer than most others as I believe there are a couple tenths left in it but I sent datalogs to Gearhead to look over.  

Pass 1:  8.40 at 82.40 mph with 1.82 60ft.  Launched at 2500 rpm (No Datalog)

Pass 2:  8.42 at 81.68 mph with 1.81 60ft.  2500rpm launch.  Switch to 2hi after launch.  Hot Lap

Pass 3:  8.49 at 81.22 mph with 1.85 60ft.  Tried more rpm on launch but it pushed through brakes.  Spun out of the hole as well despite being in 4hi.  Switch to 2hi after launch

Pass 4:  8.40 at 82.26 mph with 1.81 60ft.  2500rpm launch.  4hi entire race this race

Pass 5:  8.47 at 81.67 mph with 1.83 60ft.  2500rpm launch.  4hi entire race

Pass 6:  8.41 at 82.39 mph with 1.84 60ft.  2500rpm launch.  

Pass 7:  8.45 at 81.83 mph with 1.84 60ft.  2500rpm launch.  4hi entire race

Left the track and filled up with 7 gallons E85 and the rest 93.  Gonna get some logs today to try and dial in an E30 tune.  THIS is the tune Im most excited about.  The 93 is for the street, this tune will be for track season shenanigans.  Im a little reserved at the moment tho because its gonna have to pick up a BUNCH to get it where I want it to be tune only but we will see.

On a side note, noticed an almost intermittent vibration last night on the interstate at 80-90mph.  Ive read that some folks get this when removing the rear lift blocks but Im not sure.  Im going to likely put them back in and then see if it goes away.  If not then its back to Discount for another balance as thats the only other thing I changed and it didnt do it before.  I say intermittent because once in a blue moon it would go away and be smooth at 85 and then pop up again.

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You need a flex sensor if they make one for that truck or a test kit to get the right mix to always have E30 as you know.

I've seen my local Speedway E85 vary by a wide margin going in and out of the cold months. 

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1 hour ago, JohnC said:

You need a flex sensor if they make one for that truck or a test kit to get the right mix to always have E30 as you know.

I've seen my local Speedway E85 vary by a wide margin going in and out of the cold months. 

I looked into flex sensors and gauges and decided, like 99% of the F150 guys that $200+ and the labor to install all that crap is not worth it.  I have a glass tester and thatll work for this thing.  I tested E85 and found ONE station in the Boro that was consistently 85% (actually higher) and stuck with it when I ran straight E85 in the GT but for an E30 blend tune its not as big a deal, especially when your mixing with 93.  If the tuner comes back saying I need to dial in the mixture a bit more I will test the next station and make whatever adjustment to the 7 gallon E85/ rest 93 fill-up Im doing now.

I agree on the colder months being a crap shoot so I will actually be switching back to straight pump gas when the track closes and save the E30 tune for Spring when things get cracking again.

I can see the merit in a project like your SS where it could be the difference between VROOM and BOOM but on this thing its not gonna be that hairy of a tune.  I mean Im on stock intake, intercooler, charge pipes, turbos, exhaust etc so I can throw that couple hundred bucks at more meaningful mods...or at fuel LOL  Thats the conclusion I came to after really looking into it all here recently!

You on the other hand apparently can run straight E85 without anything being done on your 2.7 with the right tune.  3.5 guys have to upgrade the HPFP and in tank pump to go higher than E50.

1 hour ago, Disney said:

Or just do 7gal on enpty tank topped with 93. Might not always be exactly E30, but it'll be close enough.

Precisely what I did and will continue to do until told otherwise :lol:.  

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Got some fresh plugs in (Ford GT plugs no less) and sent some E30 logs out hoping to get a hotter revision back from Gearhead but instead got a message saying the stock intercooler cant keep up so it is what it is till I swap it.  DANG.  Two more track nights till the season is over, I just wanna let this big girl fly before then is all.  I ran it as is last night and the Octane Adjust tune really liked the extra octane.  It was warmer than last week and the DA was about 2157 so right at 1000 higher as well but she still picked up.  I pulled the plug on the grill shutters for these passes to give the poor stock intercooler all the air it could get.

Run 1:  8.33 at 83.13 mph with a 1.80 60ft.  Ran in 4hi the entire pass

Run 2:  8.24 at 84.11 mph with a 1.80 60ft.  Literal hot lap, didnt ever stop long enough to shut the truck down in the staging lanes.  Switched to 2hi immediately after launch.

Run 3:  8.29 at 83.60 mph with a 1.80 60ft.  Starting lights were delayed so I was on the converter for a while waiting.  Wheel hopped out of the hole bad.  Went to 2hi after it stopped hopping.

Run 4:  8.33 at 83.35 mph with a 1.82 60ft.  Swayed slightly on launch, went to 2hi after.

Run 5:  8.31 at 83.76 mph with a 1.83 60ft.  LONG cool down, 45 minutes or more, did nothing for the pass.

My buddy Gus was out there in his Tesla model x (the slowest Tesla available right now, single motor, long range package) and he wanted to race but I ended up leaving before we could get together.  He ran an 8.5 at 85 and an 8.7.  Sucker MOVES and hes never raced before so it likely has more in it, his 60's were lame.  If he can figure out how to get that thing to 60 it likely will be low 8's.  Next week hes gonna come out along with my buddy with the Fusion Sport and were gonna see who's got the quicker low 8, 4 door, Dad mobile.  I put low 8 there to keep Mike from spoiling our slow fun :roflmao:

OH, got the wheels/tires re-balanced and they said they were all 4 definitely out and it now rides smoother than the day I bought it.  Not sure what the heck they were doing the first day I got it but thats ok.  Im just glad its smooth again, this sucker will be seeing plenty of open road this coming weekend.

Matt

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You know that got a new Model S "PLAID"  that has tri-electric motors (1,100hp), claims 0-60 in less than 2secs and a 9.0 sec 1/4 mile for I think it was $144k?

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The only thing beyond Ludicrous is Plaid

Model S Plaid includes:

  • Quickest 0-60 mph and quarter mile acceleration of any production car ever
  • Acceleration from 0-60 mph: <2.0s
  • Quarter mile: <9.0s
  • 1,100+ horsepower
  • Tri Motor All-Wheel Drive

I never wanted an electric car, but I'd rock a 9sec electric car with a warranty. :yes: 

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Yeah thats some insaaaaane stuff right there.  Hell his "slowest tesla available" is stupid fun to drive around town and light to light!!!!  Instant go.

Matt

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Last TNT of the season last night saw mid to low 60* temps and the DA was around 1700 dropping to roughly 1500 by the end of the night.  Was hoping it would be slightly lower, Monday night's DA was under 1000, but it was still better than last week.

Pulled the engine cover (read some report lower IA temps with it off and unplugged the grill shutters again.

Run 1:  8.17 at 84.77 mph with 1.78 60.  They accidentally had the lights set to pro tree so I didnt have alot of time to get on the converter.  
 
Run 2:  8.25 at 84.42 mph with 1.82 60.  Seemed to be having issues getting it up to 2500 rpm so I waited for the lights to start dropping and stepped on it then let off the brake letting the converter flash a bit before letting it loose.  This pass I spun and hopped out of the hole bad.
 
Run 3:  8.20 at 84.28 mph with 1.77 60.  Flashed converter quick when lights started again to about 2500.
 
Run 4:  8.27 at 84.43 mph with 1.84 60.  
 
Run 5:  8.20 at 84.90 mph with 1.81 60.  Flashed converter quick when lights started to 2500 again.
 
Run 6:  8.14 at 84.59 mph with 1.74 60.  No knock on log.  Flashed converter quick again but appears to be roughly 2800 rpm.
 
Run 7:  8.36 at 83.51 mph with 1.88 60.  Did the same as previous pass and it showed slight knock in every gear like when it had weak sauce 93 in it.  Not entirely sure what the deal was with this pass but the truck did not like it.
 
Not a bad way to end the season!!!  Tune only with some octane thrown at it...yeah Im pleased.  Its got more in it too with an intercooler worth a flip and some more time to figure out how to get her out of the hole consistently.  
 
She's going back to stock for now tho.  FINALLY got word that the dealership has all the parts for the cam sprocket swap so itll be going in next Tues and will likely be down for a little bit.  Ive got a laundry list of things they are going to look at before the warranty expires!
 
Matt

 

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